Well Adjusted Mama Interview

Welcome to another episode of Well Adjusted Mama. I’m your host, Dr. Laura Brayton and today’s guest is September Burton speaking on Eating for Fertility. September started her career as a US Navy personal chef to 4-Star Admirals stationed in Sicily, Italy. She has since shared her expertise and passion for nutrition as a recurring guest on 93.9 radio show Happy News Now and developed a six week eating for fertility nutrition plan for prospective parents. She’s the founder and CEO of 4 Months to Fertile working with couples and mothers, struggling with primary or secondary infertility. And is the organizer of the first ever Colorado Fertility Conference. September is passionate about living a life of purpose, helping others build and complete their families, and sharing her knowledge on the healing power of food. You can find her on Facebook and Instagram at September Burton.

[00:01:09] Hi September, welcome to the show. Very excited to have you on today.

[00:01:12] Hi Laura. Thank you so much for having me.

[00:01:15] So I’m really excited for you to share about your personal story and really lean or let your life’s passion for healing the body with food, and specifically how food is healing regarding fertility. So let’s start off with talking about who you are.

[00:01:34] Yeah, sure. So I’m a mother of seven and I actually struggled with, with some secondary infertility after my third child. So I had three babies and then pregnancy number three was very different from one and two. So I could tell that something in my body was like, not quite right. You know, it was a lot more painful, a lot more discomfort.

[00:01:55] The labor was a little bit more intense. The delivery was a little bit rough. You know, he got stuck in the birth canal and then he was a bigger baby than my previous two had been. So there were just a lot of things that just didn’t seem quite right. Then when I went to get pregnant with number four, I just had back to back recurrent miscarriages.

[00:02:14] I just couldn’t seem to hold onto a pregnancy. And so at that time I was studying nutrition and, you know, going through a program for holistic nutrition and I decided to take all of the knowledge and all of the information that I was learning through this course and apply it to myself and see, you know, kind of what happened.

[00:02:37] And then I did end up getting pregnant. It did work and that pregnant. I see obviously stuck. And Gracie is now seven and a half going on eight years old. Actually, that was quite a, quite a while ago. Once it worked once I kind of corrected my body through nutrition and figured things out, then I was able to actually get pregnant even three more times after that.

[00:03:00] So now I have a total of seven children, including instead of twins. Wow. So we’re really, really well for me obviously. And when I realized how well it worked for me, I thought, well, I think that this is sort of my life calling. I think that I’m supposed to go out and help other people do the same thing.

[00:03:15] So I’ve been working with couples to improve their nutrition and, you know, be able to get pregnant naturally.

[00:03:23] That is so cool. I mean, I’m a mother of one child. I can’t imagine having seven. That sounds so busy.

[00:03:30] It’s busy but it’s so much fun, you know, there’s so wonderful.

[00:03:33] And so what’s your children’s arrange of their ages.

[00:03:38] So my oldest is 15 now, and then the twins are two. So, and then kind of everything in between.

[00:03:49] Then you got pregnant naturally with all of them. You didn’t have any hormones or any interventions.

[00:03:55] No. The only thing that my midwife at the time when I was having those miscarriages, the only thing that she really offered me was she said, when you get pregnant again, just come in right away and we’ll give you a shot of progesterone to see if that helps it stick.

[00:04:07] But I didn’t end up going in for that shot progesterone. So I didn’t end up doing anything at all.

[00:04:12] Wow. So share your secret of like, how you went from having recurrent miscarriages to being able to have full term healthy pregnancy.

[00:04:23] Well, I think for me, no, being a child of the eighties, I grew up on McDonald’s and Kraft, macaroni and cheese and cold cereal.  You know, my mom was a single mom, working mother, and so that was really what my diet was. I mean, she would cook and she was a really good cook when she did, but she was busy and working and so it wasn’t necessarily available. The eighties was when they pushed carbs and low fat and those kinds of things.

[00:04:46] And so I think that having that in my brain as I grew, into an adult, that was kind of the way that I thought you were supposed to eat. I thought that fat was bad and eat lots of carbs because carbs don’t make you fat. Which of course now we know the opposite is true, but that was how, you know, when I was 19, 20, and really until my late twenties, that was kind of the ideology that I followed and accepted. For me, it was about embracing fat that was step one, I had to embrace fat. And then I also started eating tons and tons of vegetables. I do the green smoothies. I did juicing, you know, I bought a really, really high quality juicer and started juicing every day. And just trying to really pack the nutrition into my body as much as possible.

[00:05:30] So that was kind of the, you know, it was about getting as many vegetables as possible and then adding in the fat and not being afraid of fat.

[00:05:39] Yeah, we really were brainwashed in the eighties and even early nineties that all fat is bad. Fat makes you fat and, you know, heart disease. It’s like, wow, we’ve come a long ways.

[00:05:53] For sure, we have. And then, you know, the understanding that we have of sugar now, too, I think is huge. And so I gave up sugar completely, but I’m such a sweet tooth person that I couldn’t give up sweets. And so what I’ve learned is that, you know, if you Google like raw food desserts, raw vegan desserts, sorry that word was escaping me for a second there. But raw vegan desserts, then you can get some great recipes, things that are sweetened with dates and honey, you know, unfiltered honey, things like that, that are just this totally satisfy your sweet tooth and are absolutely delicious, but they’re also packed with nutrition and they’re not robbing your body of nutrients like sugar does.

[00:06:32] Yeah, exactly. Especially processed sugar. So that makes a lot of sense. And sugar is very addictive too. We’ve learned like a lot of packaged processed foods do have processed sugar in it and it becomes like a drug.

[00:06:46] Yeah. They’ve been able to show through neurological studies that it’s actually even more addictive than cocaine.

[00:06:51] So it’s, it’s pretty intense stuff.

[00:06:54] Yeah. Wow. More addictive than cocaine. That is very intense. It’s sad too, because you’ll see, like, let’s say someone is overweight and wanting to, to lose weight and get to a healthier body weight, but they’re so addicted to the sugar. It’s really hard to change the way they eat. So if somebody is in that position, especially a couple who are looking to conceive a healthy pregnancy, what do you say to them?

[00:07:20] One of the first things is that when your body is craving sugar, or when you feel that craving for sugar, what your body is actually asking you for is fat. And very oftentimes it’s the omega3 specifically fatty acids,that that’s what your body is asking you for. And so if you get on a very high quality fish oil supplement with lots of Omega-3’s, then that can really help curve those sugar cravings. Another thing is just balancing out your blood sugar, which happens through eating lots of vegetables, not eating all the time.

[00:07:51] You know, you want to actually space your meals out. The whole six meals a day thing was not good advice at the time. So you actually want to space your meals out and allow your body to learn how to balance its own blood sugar, because your body it’s designed to do that. You know, that’s part of the grand miraculous design is that you should be able to go without food for a while.

[00:08:12] So really getting on the vegetables, getting off of the sugar as much as you can substitute it with some good healthy fats. And if you can’t stop those cravings, if they’re still there, then, like I said, go for the raw vegan desserts cause I mean, there’s still sugar in there. It’s just a, it’s a natural sugar. So it’s very different.

[00:08:31] You know, I think it’s important to say that when I think you and I are on the same page, so we know that when we say sugar, we’re talking about the white refined granulated stuff, but you know, fruit has sugar in it and grains have sugar in them. And so sugar is all over the place. It’s a natural thing.

[00:08:47] When it’s not refined, it’s perfectly fine. So yeah, you just need to be careful and find substitutes. That’s what I like to do is rather than having people feel deprived of what they love, it’s like, okay, okay, let’s, let’s take what you love and let’s substitute it with this. Do you like it as much? If yes, fantastic. We’re good. If not, let’s keep digging. Let’s find you something. So, cause I don’t believe that food is about deprivation ever.

[00:09:13] Food is our fuel for our body to allow our bodies to run. It’s like expecting our car to drive without any gas in it. Right. So, so it’s like, okay, thrive. We want to feel good. We want to have energy and vitality then we have to put good fuel into our body.

[00:09:30] Yes, absolutely.

[00:09:32] And I would add one more thing too. You mentioned if the sugar cravings are persistent, even when you bring in increase like healthy fats in your diet, it could also be an underlying candida overgrowth. So I think that’s also important to note, like if the yeast in your body is screaming for sugar, because that’s what they need to live, then there’s a need to look into doing a candida cleanse.

[00:09:54] Yes. That’s yes. I appreciate you throwing that in there. I hadn’t thought to say that, but yeah, that’s absolutely true too.

[00:10:02] So I know that you work as a health coach with a surrogate business, correct?

[00:10:09] Yeah, I’m with Hawaii Surrogacy.

[00:10:12] Yeah. So tell me how that works.

[00:10:15] So on their website on, if you go to Hawaiisurrogacy.com/nutrition, I have a six week clean eating program. And so the six week program is, you know, makes it as easy as possible for you to follow a clean, healthy eating diet plan, not a diet plan. And that sense of deprivation at all. In fact, most people that follow the program say that it’s almost too much food. So, you know, there’s lots of leftovers and things, which is fine.

[00:10:40] But it’s completely laid out, got all of your meal plans, your shopping lists, your recipes, your success manual, your dining out swap guide, you know, all of those kinds of things. And then if you do that, you get some personal sessions with me as well, so that we can kind of talk about what your personal issues are, find you some substitutes that work well for you just in general, there’s lots of different things that people want substituted.

[00:11:06] We all have our comfort foods that we love and sweets and salty foods and things like that. So finding you substitutions that work for you is a big part of it. So yeah, basically that’s, that’s how it works.

[00:11:20] So you do for fertility is for prospective parents, mom, and dad. But if they’re working with the surrogate, then how does that work?

[00:11:29] So a lot of times, um, intended parents will want their surrogates to follow an organic, very clean kind of diet. And so this is just a great option for intended parents to give to the surrogate so that, you know, she can follow this kind of a clean eating plan and have it easy, as easy as possible for her.

[00:11:48] Okay. Or also sometimes maybe the parents egg and sperm are the ones being used with a surrogate. So, therefore their genetic material, they can still eat very healthy before that’s the trick.

[00:12:02] Thank you for saying that, for sure you want the sperm and the egg to be as healthy as possible. So it’s something that the intended parents and whoever, you know, the sperm and egg are coming from because in surrogacy, there’s so many different options.

[00:12:15] Because when you’ve got gay couple, you know, obviously the egg is coming from a donor and things like that, but yeah, in Hawaii surrogacy and in most surrogacy agencies anymore, it’s always gestational surrogacy, which means that the child is not genetically related to the surrogate mother. They don’t use her eggs.

[00:12:32] They use a donor egg, or the intended mother’s egg. But yeah, you can definitely improve sperm quality and improve egg quality by following a healthy eating program for a few months before. You know, the extraction and things like that. So, yeah.

[00:12:48] Yeah. I think that’s important and it’s definitely, always important to remember, you know, 50% from the sperm and 50% from the egg that epigenetic impact on really passing along with this genetic quality for the baby.

[00:13:03] Absolutely. Yes.

[00:13:05] So can you tell us a little bit more about your eating for fertility plan? I know you mentioned it was simple. It’s six weeks.

[00:13:13] Yeah. So it’s mostly paleo. Well, yeah, it’s mostly paleo. I pretty much don’t put any grains in there. And one of the reasons why we do the paleo program, I don’t necessarily think that anybody should be longterm or lifetime paleo it’s, it’s very bio individual.

[00:13:31] And so everybody is different. So the reason that this plan is, is because a lot of people who are struggling with infertility have some sort of an underlying autoimmune disease and autoimmune diseases respond incredibly well to paleo eating plans. The grains for various reasons tend to help cause some inflammation and things like that. Things that the autoimmune diseases kind of thrive on. So, so this plan is basically paleo and you know, there’s a lot of smoothies in it. There’s a lot of, a lot of different things. There’s wraps, there’s salads. There’s a soups, there’s a detox soup specifically just to help your body cleanse itself. So, yeah, there’s lots of different types of meals, lots and lots of vegetables. And then lots of fat too. You know, we, we make sure to put a lot of healthy extroversion olive oil on the food and on the salads, especially cooking with coconut oil or ghee, which is a clarified butter, things like that. So just keeping it as clean as possible.

[00:14:34] Yeah, I think that’s really important for people to remember. It’s really like eating the whole foods and, you know, it’s a little more, I guess, a time consuming and requires meal planning, but you’re eating foods in their natural state as opposed to packaged foods that have chemicals and additives to increase shelf life.

[00:14:54] Yeah. And, you know, they’re finding more and more as they do more studies on these fake foods that have come out since the fifties or however long it’s been. And it’s just, it’s so sad because it’s devastating. It’s interesting. I was actually in another country, not too long ago. And I saw a billboard one day and it was very for somebody like me, who’s really into health and nutrition. It was pretty powerful. There was a woman. An older woman lying in a hospital bed with the oxygen tube in her nose and things like that.

[00:15:25] And the billboard said, what’s in our food? And I thought, Oh my wow, that’s kind of, intense. I was on board with it though. Like we need to be asking questions because it does cause health problems.

[00:15:36] Processed foods, genetically modified foods. That’s a big issue. I know in the U S where genetically modified foods do not have to be labeled in most States. And so therefore, you know, things like corn and soy, if it does not say non-GMO, we can assume that it is genetically modified and that can really create a lot of disruption and information in the gut lining. Create leaky gut leaky gut is like a whole nother issue right with health issues and food sensitivities.

[00:16:08] Yeah. And leaky gut has so much to do with the gluten that we’re eating. Because if you really look at what gluten is, it’s, it’s like the name suggests it’s an incredibly gluey substance. Once it gets into your body and your body is trying to break it down and digest it. And so it takes sometimes like three days for your body to fully digest gluten.

[00:16:27] But when you think about what most Americans are eating, it’s like a bagel for breakfast, a sandwich on bread for lunch. And then, you know, dinner is some sort of a breaded meat or there’s dinner rolls or something like that with your meal. And so we’re eating gluten on top of gluten on top of gluten. And that’s a big part of the leaky gut in addition to the genetically modified foods. Like you were saying where your body, because the lining of your digestive tract is basically rebuilding itself every three days. And so if it’s still digesting old food, that’s been there. Then it’s not going to be able to fully replenish itself.

[00:17:04] And then you end up with permeable.

[00:17:06] Well, like you said, it’s the lining is permeable. Meaning food particles can exit the gut lining and then have an autoimmune response to those. Right. And that’s where we see people develop food sensitivities. They’re they’re not necessarily, allergies are not something they’re born with, but when the gut is inflamed and permeable, you know, the food is always supposed to be contained within the gut tube and when it exits the gut tube through those leaky permeable junctures, then the immune system has a reaction to that. The Igg type of autoimmune or food sensitivity, food intolerances. I know gluten is a big one. Cows milk is another big one, corn, soy. sometimes citrus fruits. Are those things you recommend people avoiding during the six weeks?

[00:18:00] Yeah. I mean, during the six weeks, there’s no dairy at all, there’s no gluten. Obviously, if there’s no grains, there’s not going to be any gluten. So you’re off of all of that stuff, but I’m, I’m telling you how to do it. I’m giving you all the, the meal plans and the recipes. So you don’t have to sit and think, well, what am I going to eat instead of that? Because that’s one of the biggest complaints that you hear when people try to go gluten free, or dairy free or sugar free, or any of those “free’s”, what, that’s one thing that a lot of people complain about is they say, well, What do I eat then? And so that’s the purpose of laying it all out for you and giving you that full six week plan is so that you know exactly what to eat and you don’t have to worry about it or think about it.

[00:18:39] I love it. And I love that you offer recipes because even as people are doing cleanses in my practice, sometimes, you know, they have a list of foods to go grocery shopping of what foods they’re enjoying during that period. But then they’re like, okay, I know what foods to eat, but how do I make a meal out of that? Right. That’s where recipes can be so supportive for somebody who’s really transitioning into a different, completely different way of eating.

[00:19:05] Yeah, for sure. And you know, one of the things to keep in mind is that the more that you start to cook this way, the more that your creativity can kind of take over a little bit too.

[00:19:14] So. Like you’ll follow these recipes for the six weeks and then you’ll have sort of this foundation, okay. I know how to make this soup, but you know what? Sometimes I like this other vegetable in my soup. So I’m going to add that. And so then your creativity for cooking really starts to come alive. Same thing with like smoothies and green juices. I’m a huge fan of both of those. A lot of my clients at first, they’ll be like, I have no idea how to make a green juice like, what does that even mean? And so, you know, I’ll give them some recipes and, and then after a while, after a couple of weeks of doing it, then they’re putting their own juices together. And so you really figure out what you love and what works for you and same thing with the green smoothies. Vitamix even has like a formula. I don’t remember what it is, but it’s like this much fruit to this much veggies. So this much ice, I think, but anyway, they even like maybe come up with a formula.

[00:20:03] So, but it really is. Yeah. So unlock your creativity when it comes to food, which is a beautiful, wonderful thing because food itself is such a beautiful, wonderful thing.

[00:20:12] Yeah, you’re right. There is an opportunity as an art and a personal creativity that just comes from practice. Right? So if somebody doesn’t have a lot of experience with cooking or making smoothies, it can feel a little bit intimidating at the beginning, but the more you do it the easier. It gets the less scary it is. You know, even for myself now I have a young child I’ve made and effort to cook at home more. And what, for me also will come up. It’s like, okay, you know, if I used to make that recipe, but I don’t have that vegetable in the house but I have another vegetable in the fridge. Like it’s like, sometimes there’s just that fridge clean out right. The day before you go to the grocery store, it’s like, okay, well, you know, what can we substitute because I have it on hand in house instead of like going to the store every two days and buying only the ingredients on these recipes, you know, you get to have a little flexibility and adaptability in your life.

[00:21:07] And it becomes a very fun thing. And how old is your son?

[00:21:12] He turns three next month.

[00:21:14] Okay. So as he gets a little bit older and like, he’ll start cooking with you and then it’ll become a fun bonding thing and people bond over food. That’s why we eat together. That’s why we cook together because food is incredibly bonding and it’s just such a wonderful thing. And to watch your child develop and learn cooking skills. I love it. My kids, people are amazed that my kids can, can cook and actually cook. I mean, my daughter was scrambling eggs at like five years old. And everybody was like, what? How does a little girl do that? And it was like, cause I teach her.

[00:21:46] They want to be involved my son, if I’m baking, he wants to sit on the counter and just, you know, help any way he can. If I let him like. You know, dump ingredients in or whatever it is exciting for him and he likes to look in the oven and see what’s baking. And it’s, you know, it’s, it’s magical for kids. Right? So see that. And, you know, as he gets older, I would love for him to, to get more involved in how to prepare healthy meals for himself and healthy snacks.

[00:22:19] Yeah. And I think that the more that you practice and get good at it, then the better, you know, easier. It’s going to be for you to teach your kids how to do it for all of our listeners. If you’re not a cook right now, I’ve worked with people who were like, I can’t even boil water or I burn toast or, you know, I hear those kinds of things. Then they follow this plan for a little while and yeah. Oh my gosh. Maybe I do have a cook in me. It’s just a skill. Like anything it can be learned and it can be developed and the more you practice, the better you’re going to get.

[00:22:46] That’s right. That’s right. You know, for me too even getting like a meal delivery service, I use sun basket and that’s also in like increased my personal cooking because it’s just, they send me the recipe, they send me the ingredients and they told me what to do.

[00:23:02] I follow it. And it’s, especially after a long day of working sometimes I appreciate not having to like, Come up with a, a meal, you know, I get to be like, Oh, I’m just going to open this Brown bag and can prepare a fresh organic for my family.

[00:23:18] Yeah. Yeah. Those meals services are really nice.

[00:23:21] Yeah, totally. I know you also have a 4 Months to Fertile program.

[00:23:28] Yeah. So the 4 Months to Fertile program was the original fertility program that I developed. And that’s much more one-on-one intensive with me. And the reason that I called it 4 Months to Fertile is because in the Chinese system of medicine, they actually believe that your fertility organs are your heart, your liver, your kidneys, and your spleen, which is not what you think of. You know, when you think of fertility, you don’t necessarily think of those organs. If you really kind of think about it, those are your survival organs. Like if those aren’t working, you know, Your heart stops you’re dead, right? Like, and I know that’s extreme, but those are your survival organs. You can’t survive without them. And your reproductive organs are kind of peripheral. You can survive without those. So if your body is not in a healthy state, it’s going to try to take care of those organs first. And then it’s going to shut down other things like your reproductive organs. So we focus on really, really nourishing those specific organs. So that the excess energy and the excess nutrients and things like that can go to your uterus and your ovaries and clearing out your fallopian tubes, if they’re blocked in the sperm and all of those different things, but it’s more intensive and it’s more focused on really building up that energy and those four organs.

[00:24:46] Wow. That makes a lot of sense, actually. You know, the other thing that was coming to my mind was is how you talked about certain foods that are inflammatory and how that would create challenges for fertility. But have you also seen things like related to miscarriage, for example, caffeine. Do you have any advice around that?

[00:25:04] So caffeine, you know, you never want to drink the energy drinks or pop caffeine pills. I mean that, that’s just not a good thing. I have actually more lax views on caffeine than I think a lot of people do is if it’s from like coffee or another natural source, one of the struggles that we have in the U S culture is that we don’t actually use foods for what nature intended them to be used for. And coffee is a perfect example of that. Coffee in the U S is seen as something, Oh, I just woke up let me, let me start my day with a cup of coffee. That’s actually not how you want to drink coffee. You want to eat your meal, and then drink your coffee. And the reason for that is because that caffeine actually gives your body a little bit of a boost. It causes your stomach acid to become a little bit more acidic. So it’s a little bit more efficient at breaking down the food that you just ate. And then that caffeine gives your body a little bit of an energy boost to give you a quick metabolism, break down that food, and then, you know, your body settles back down. So coffee is intended by nature to be a digestive aid. It’s absolutely not, and should never be drank on an empty stomach. It’s not meant to be a pick me up. So that’s really why we in our culture, struggle with coffee was because we’re just using it wrong.

[00:26:19] That’s fascinating. It does make a lot of sense, but then there’s also the quantity, right? So you’re talking about. One cup of coffee with your breakfast. Can you have it while you’re eating your meal? Yeah. You can have it while you’re eating your meal, but yeah, your one cup of coffee, one shot of espresso, you know, it shouldn’t be seven or eight cups of coffee throughout your day. Absolutely not.

[00:26:40] Right. The other thing is stop and not continuing mid morning, lunchtime afternoon, right. How do your adrenals survive with that so much. And then there’s also like then, people aren’t sleeping well, right. If you’re having caffeine later in the day.

[00:27:01] Yeah, so coffee, you know, everybody is affected a little bit differently by it, but you know, you learn how late in the day you can drink it without it affecting your sleep. So just do, if you’re going to use it properly, just do it like that. And then coffee. The other problem that we have with coffee in our culture is that the beans are not very well taken care of. And so a lot of times they start to grow some mold on them. So then you get those mycotoxins. Okay, so you want it like everything. You’re always going to hear me talk about high quality. You want the best quality coffee that you can get so that you’re not dealing with that struggle. So, yeah. And then learning how late in the day you can have it so that it doesn’t affect your sleep. Like you’re saying.

[00:27:44] Yeah. Are there any other tips that you want to share with families that are looking to get pregnant?

[00:27:52] You know, just take care of yourself. It’s really, everything is about taking care of yourself. We’re living in this time where so many people are talking about self love and all of these self care practices are becoming kind of coming to the forefront of our society. And especially for women, because, you know, we all know that women are the nurturers and we tend to over-give and we kind of put ourselves on the back burners and things like that. So I really try to get the message across that the way that you eat is one of the biggest ways that you can love yourself. If you’re taking care of yourself with food, you have so much more to give to the people that you love and to the people around you. So really, really take care of yourself.

[00:28:32] Yeah. Uh, your diet and your food is, is foundational for self love and self care. I think that’s such a, an important piece. I mean, mama self care is like something I echo in every single episode, but you know, something is really as simple as is how you eat when you eat, be really deliberate with, you know, chewing and just really that nourishing component, right. That we, are nourishing ourselves so that we can have that overflow to get to others.

[00:29:04] Yeah, absolutely. So if you don’t know how to do that, how to take care of yourself through food, then there are programs like mine, and there’s a lot of other programs out there as well that will really help you out. So I guess one last thing, if a lot of people are interested in being surrogates that their BMI is a little bit too high, and that’s one of the other reasons that we have this up on Hawaii Surrogacy is if you want to be a surrogate, if that’s kind of in the cards for you. Then this was a way to help lower that BMI down so that you can qualify to be a surrogate mom.

[00:29:37] Oh, okay. That’s really cool. Alright. Well, September, I really appreciate you taking the time to come on the show today and share your purpose and your passion for healing, our bodies with food, and specifically related to fertility.

[00:29:52] Yeah. Thank you so much for having me on this was a good conversation. I enjoyed it.

[00:30:00] Wow. I hope you enjoy this episode with September mother of seven. So amazing. Literally she’s so passionate about working with women and couples to help support them and having the healthiest conscious conception and pregnancy using nutrition as the foundation, for health and healing. If you want to find out more about her six week eating for fertility nutrition plan, check out the website, HawaiiSurrogacy.com/nutrition.

[00:30:30] And don’t forget to follow me at Brayton Birth Method on Facebook and Instagram.

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